它总是关于言论自由吗?是的,也不是

Reddit是关于言论自由的。或者这不是关于言论自由。或者没人知道Reddit是怎么回事。或者没人知道言论自由是什么意思。Reddit的管理层似乎并不确定,而且有可能会把网站撕成碎片。...

Reddit是关于****的。或者这不是关于****。或者没人知道Reddit是怎么回事。或者没人知道****是什么意思。Reddit的管理层似乎并不确定,而且有可能会把网站撕成碎片。

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昨天,Reddit即将上任的首席执行官兼联合创始人史蒂夫•哈夫曼(Steve Huffman)表示,他将举行一场问答会;通过站点内容策略的会话。众所周知,Reddit在允许的范围内非常宽泛,但在过去几个月里,它对骚扰采取了非常温和的立场,这引发了一场关于Reddit是否真正支持****的风暴。

哈夫曼在声明中直截了当地回答了核心问题。”亚历克西斯和我创建Reddit都不是为了成为****的堡垒,而是作为一个可以进行公开和诚实讨论的地方,”他写道。在某种程度上,这应该是非常明显的——只要看看Reddit对泄露不受保护的个人信息的禁忌,这是绝对合法的。但这也与该网站在过去几年中的表现不太一致。

那么,Reddit历史上是关于****的吗?是的,也不是。

2015年7月:“如果有任何种族主义、性别歧视或***恐惧,我会立即禁止。”

在Ellen Pao被解雇后,前首席执行官黄奕山(Yishan Wong)也认为Reddit并不是一个“****的堡垒”,即使多年来它会越来越接近这个堡垒。具体地说,他回忆说,当偷偷摸摸的“**”女人遭到攻击时,他曾向哈夫曼征求意见。

The very interesting thing he wrote back was "back when I was running things, if there was anything racist, sexist, or homophobic I'd ban it right away. I don't think there's a place for such things on Reddit. Of course, now that Reddit is much bigger, I understand if maybe things are different."

[...]

The free speech policy was something I formalized because it seemed like the wiser course at the time. It's worth stating that in that era, we were talking about whether it was ok for people to post creepy pictures of women taken legally in public. That's shitty, but it's a far cry from the extremes of hate that some parts of the site host today.

黄说,他没有预料到这些年来针会移动多远:“Reddit已经变大了——是的,好多了——而且更糟。我必须承担责任。”

2015年6月:“我们网站的目标不是成为一个完全自由的言论平台。”

在禁止了五个骚扰子网站后,临时CEO鲍爱伦(ellenpao)在NPR等平台上为自己的计划辩护。她的话听起来很像哈夫曼的话。

Somebody expressing ideas that aren't c***istent with everybody's views is something that we encourage. There are certain posts that do make people feel unsafe, that people feel threatened or they feel that their family or friends or people near them are going to be unsafe, and those are the specific things that we are focused on today.

It's not our site's goal to be a completely free speech platform. We want to be a safe platform and we want to be a platform that also protects privacy at the same time.

这一决定在Reddit上并不受欢迎,Pao在一个月后辞职,此前他曾就一名Reddit员工被解雇一事提出了无关的**。

2015年5月:“Reddit应该是一个任何人都可以打开肥皂盒说出自己想法的地方。。。但现在Redditor告诉我们,他们有时会遇到使用系统骚扰他们的用户。”

为捍卫一项新制定的反骚扰政策,联合创始人亚历克西斯•奥哈尼安(Alexis Ohanian)向redditor提供了一点关于该网站创建的小道消息:它的灵感来自伦敦公共论坛演讲者角(London public forum Speakers'Corner)。他提倡一个开放的社区,但人们可以使用它而不感到不安全。

Reddit should be a place where anyone can pull up their soapbox and speak their mind, or have a discussion and maybe learn something new and even challenging or uncomfortable, but right now Redditors are telling us they sometimes encounter users who use the system to harass them and that's a problem.

这是可以预见的嘲笑Redditor:“互联网从来不是一个'好和友好'的地方,”嘲笑评价最高的答复。

2014年9月:“我们尽可能地在Reddit上维护****的理想。”

经过一周的批评,Reddit关闭了“Fappening”,这是一个subreddit,致力于传播和组织像詹妮弗·劳伦斯这样的名人被泄露的**。首席执行官黄奕山(yishanwong)承诺,这不会成为经常发生的事情,他说Reddit是“一个新型社区的**”,并对发布任何东西的能力进行了强烈的辩护。

We uphold the ideal of free speech on reddit as much as possible not because we are legally bound to, but because we believe that you — the user — has the right to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and that it is your resp***ibility to do so. When you know something is right, you should choose to do it. But as much as possible, we will not force you to do it.

2012年10月:“我们主张****。”

Gawker记者Adrian Chen曝光了Violentacrez的真实姓名,他是Reddit最令人毛骨悚然的几个董事会的幕后黑手。Reddit的大部分回应是将所有Gawker链接列入黑名单,认为陈光标违反了Reddit的“没有个人信息”规则。在Gawker泄露的一份备忘录中,黄义山告诉工作人员,“这项禁止Gawker网络链接的禁令并没有让Reddit看起来这么好。”

We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it. Not because that's the law in the United States — because as many people have pointed out, privately-owned forums are under no obligation to uphold it — but because we believe in that ideal independently, and that's what we want to promote on our platform. We are clarifying that now because in the past it wasn't clear, and (to be honest) in the past we were not completely independent and there were other pressures acting on Reddit. Now it's just Reddit, and we serve the community, we serve the ideals of free speech, and we hope to ultimately be a universal platform for human discourse.

2012年2月:“我很想想象,常识会是托马斯·潘恩在Reddit上的一篇自传。”

奥哈尼安与福布斯谈论政治的未来,以及雷迪特最近针对SOPA的停电**——人们普遍认为SOPA帮助扼杀了广受厌恶的反盗版法案。他问国父们会怎么看他的网站。

"A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would like it," he replies. It's the digital form of political pamphlets.

"Yes, with much wider distribution and without the inky fingers," he says. "I would love to imagine that Common Sense would have been a self-post on Reddit, by Thomas Paine, or actually a Redditor named T_Paine."

2011年7月:“我们是一个****的网站,几乎没有例外。”

Reddit总经理埃里克·马丁出现在“问我什么”一位用户问道:“你对r/jailbait和r/picsofdeadkids这样的子域名有何看法?”。马丁说,他觉得这些照片“很恶心”,并设想98%的Reddit可能会同意,但问题是,你会用“死去孩子的照片”之类的东西来划清界限

What if the name of the subreddit was /r/autopsyphotos or /r/doyoureallywanttogointocriminalforensics and they were sincere in their discussion of these images? Would some of that 98 percent now be ok with it? I would bet at least some would. What if it wasn't kids but *****s? Or historical autopsy photos only? The point is I don't want to be the one making those decisi*** for anyone but myself, and it's not the business Reddit is in. We're a free speech site with very few excepti*** (mostly personal info) and having to stomach occasional troll reddit like picsofdeadkids or morally questionable reddits like jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this.

2011年5月:“发布个人信息是网络版的破坏行为。”

随着Reddit的发展,网站的管理员意识到它的用户群会像一群愤怒的蜜蜂一样随机下降。这可能是完全合法的言论,但社区经理克里斯汀法斯纳特说,该网站正在严厉打击张贴可能导致骚扰的信息。在未来几年里,这仍然是Reddit为数不多的神圣规则之一。

DO NOT POST USERS' PERSONAL INFORMATION. EVER. NO phone numbers, NO email addresses, NO real names, NO blood types, NO SSN's, NO facebook pics or profiles, NO mothers' maiden names, NOTHING. This is a ban-on-sight offense, and lately we have banned multiple users for posting personal info.

[...]

Posting personal information is the Internet version of vandali** and abuse and will not be tolerated.

2008年3月:“我们只是把自己从等式中拉出来。”

Reddit开始让人们创建自己的子Reddit。没错——三年来,Reddit处理了自己所有的社区创建工作,用户提供了输入。Ohanian概述了公共、限制和私人团体的新类别,在这一点上称为“reddits”

We learned a long time ago that there are things you all as a community can do that we — as a team of five — couldn't possibly do. Creating different verticals for reddit is just one more area where we know our community can do a better job identifying and growing successful reddits. Our first new community, programming.reddit was created because users explicitly told us they wanted a place for users interested in programming to share links and discussion.

Now we're just taking ourselves out of the equation.

2005年12月:“评论!”

Reddit也没有推出评论系统,这是其“****”平台的关键要素之一。这些网站在发布几个月后就开放了,哈夫曼发布了一个简短的公告。

We added a commenting system today for your enjoyment. The comments are votable and can be sorted just as all the other links on Reddit.

2005年6月:开始

Reddit成立于2005年6月,Huffman在10月发布了第一个实质性的博客更新。商业的第一要务不是社区或****,而是找出如何成为网络上最好的聚合网站。

We'd like to make [it] easier to share links with other users on Reddit, as well as with friends who are not members.

We're also working to make it easier to avoid submitting duplicate stories.

有时Reddit是****的堡垒,有时不是,有时似乎无关紧要。这就是为什么这场辩论如此棘手。如果没有“原始”版本可供依赖,社区将不得不决定Reddit应该是什么,而不仅仅是找出如何将其恢复到一个更早、未受污染的状态。它必须在努力成为一个真正的、有利可图的企业的同时做到这一点,而不仅仅是一个小小的实验。

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